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Proof at last, 911 conspirator captured…

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OK, people still continue to send me helpful information about how the twin towers couldn’t have been brought down by aircraft and fires, there must have been some conspiracy involving charges being placed in the building. I’ve explained at length why the “aeroplanes brought down the towers” theory works just fine, it’s simple and fits the observed evidence. Let’s try another tack…

OK, conspirators decide they are going to crash airliners into the WTC and then blow up and collapse the buildings. That means that tons of explosives and miles of wire have to be installed in the buildings. And not only installed secretly, but installed in such a way that they won’t be found. (People would presumably notice explosives stacked in the corners and detonating wires strung around.) This would involve compromising the building’s security somehow, I mean these buildings were not only guarded 24 hours a day, there would be contractors, employees, tenants, and maintenance people coming and going at all hours of the day. Yet somehow our crack team of agents manages to get in there, cut all sorts of holes in the walls, place all these charges, string all these wires…and not a single person saw anything even remotely suspicious. Tens of thousands of people who worked in these buildings in the weeks and days before 911 survived, yet not a one has come forward to say they saw something funny going on?

But OK, we’ll just assume we have a team of super agents who like ghosts managed to get all these charges set up perfectly and secretly. What then? Well, two airliners have to hit the buildings. Um, it should be obvious that things could go wrong with this part of the plan. What if one of the planes missed or was crashed by the passengers? I mean, our hypothetical conspirators are going to have a hell of a time hiding the evidence if one of the towers doesn’t get hit. And even then, the planes have to hit each tower at an exact location. Too high, and it’s going to look awfully suspicious when the charges go off many stories below the point of impact. Too low, same problem. And of course your plane can’t strike where the charges are because that would do unknown damage to the charges and their detonation system.

I other words, for this proposed conspiracy to work, a huge operation has to be carried out in complete secrecy in one of the busiest buildings in one of the busiest cities in the world. All without being detected or even leaving evidence on a security film in the neighbourhood. Then two planes have to be hijacked and flown with exact precision into the towers, all in coordination with whoever is on the ground setting off the charges, and without causing any damage to the pre-placed explosives.

Any number of things could go wrong with this plot. The chances of everything perfectly every step of the way is minuscule. More importantly, why in the name of God would anyone even attempt to do something this risky? Do the people that came up with this conspiracy theory even think about what they are proposing? For this proposed plot to work almost every agency in the government would have to be involved, how else could they ensure that no neighbourhood security footage showing the plotters was found afterwards? And of course they have to completely control access to the debris at every step of the way, I mean who knows what incriminating evidence might survive the collapse.

And then they had to convince the hundreds of plotters, each and every one, that it was necessary to murder thousands of Americans for…what exactly? If someone came to you with a plot to murder a few thousand of your fellow citizens, would you go along? I mean there might be a few people in the administration capable of this sort of evil, but the experts they needed to do this all went along when approached? This is crazy, the conspiracy theorists are claiming that not only did a huge group of people try to pull off the most complex conspiracy in history, that managed to do so without a hitch and destroyed every shred of evidence in the process?

I’m sorry, but if this was presented as a movie script, Hollywood would reject it as too unbelievable. I wish people would think about what they were proposing before they spent so much time rejecting the most obvious explanation. It’s easy to pick and choose evidence that supports your theory, any crackpot can do that. It’s a lot harder to come up with a viable theory of your own. Please, I challenge any 911 conspiracy theorist to come up with an even faintly plausible scenario that can explain how the the demolition charges were set in complete secret, and the planes crashed into the precise locations necessary to pull off the deception. A theory that doesn’t involve aliens please.

I apologize for the tone of this post, but this is very frustrating to me. Partly because unlike a lot of people I have some background in engineering and explosives and I don’t have any problem with the idea that the collapse was the result of the impact and the fires. Partly because I’m tired of people who have no background in construction or anything reality based earnestly telling me I’m wrong. And mostly I’m frustrated because this silliness distracts from the real conspiracy, that Bush and his administration used 911 as a pretext to launch their misguided plan to reshape the Middle East in their own image and cement America’s place as the greatest empire in history.

(The above still image from the infamous Alien Autopsy “hoax” film of the nineties is claimed as Fair Use under US copyright law. It is not being used for profit, it is central to illustrating the post, and it is an iconic image. Credit: Copyright © Ray Santilli.)


Written by unitedcats

June 30, 2007 at 7:45 am

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  1. The controversy is over building 7, if anything. There isn’t any question that buildings 1 and 2 were hit by airplanes.

    I don’t know why we’re supposed to have some sort of unquestioning loyalty to a particular story line, anyhow. The facts are the facts and should be presented at trial to convict those responsible.


    June 30, 2007 at 10:46 am

  2. Wow! This is excellent, kudos for great posting that hits the bullseye!

    THANK YOU! someone said it finally!


    June 30, 2007 at 10:54 am

  3. […] under terrorism, islam, politics Wow, This post is excellent, highly recommended! Courtesy of Doug’s Darkworld :  OK, conspirators decide they are going to crash airliners into the WTC and then blow up and […]

  4. I wish you many pings and trackbacks to an excellent post. Also good luck on your changes,spinoffs etc. I look forward to seeing what you come up with.


    June 30, 2007 at 1:38 pm

  5. pushfortruth

    July 1, 2007 at 6:44 pm

  6. I’m sure if one looked through the footage that day you could find people saying we were under attack my Martians, none of this answers my questions. And if we add WTC7 into the mix, gee, the plotters decided to blow up a third building, where not only did they have to secretly rig explosives, they had to rig it to catch fire first? Why would they even blow up WTC7 in the first place?

    I think I’m going to post about my theory that the 911 plotters also sank the Titanic using pre-placed explosives. I have proof…no other ocean liner has ever been sunk by an iceberg, so it’s not possible that the largest liner on the planet was sunk by one. —Doug


    July 2, 2007 at 7:36 am

  7. Doug, why is it important to you to defend the official conspiracy theory without a trial?


    July 2, 2007 at 10:26 am

  8. I have always stated that I thought 911 should have been treated and investigated as a crime, not an act of war. I am not defending the official story, I am trying to point out that the 911 “shaped charges and missiles hit the Pentagon” conspiracy theorists have made it easier for the administration to lie about what they know or don’t know about 911. These people are literally providing great cover for the real conspiracy, whatever that may be. Did some in the administration know the airliners would be hijacked and chose to let it happen anywise? Was some other group responsible for the hijacking? Did the investigators deliberatively overlook high placed Saudi complicity in the attack? These and other questions are what people should be looking into, not the history and theory of high rise fires.


    July 2, 2007 at 10:58 am

  9. Doug,

    In the absence of a true narrative, people construct their own. Some of them are closer to the truth than others, no doubt.

    Your narrative is no more believable than mine, unless put to the test of a proper investigation of the evidence and a trial of the facts.

    Just because you’ve always said that there should be a trial does not privilege your narrative. The fact that the administration which peddles this narrative is easily convicted of lying to the American people about many things and not least of which were regarding matters of war and peace.

    Let us follow the process of law, impeach these people and then look at the evidence without prejudice.


    July 2, 2007 at 11:16 am

  10. Hi – I’m a friend of friend zo. I just wanted to say two things. Well, maybe 3. First is that building 7 is crux, it is true. However, physicists found military thermite in the remaining scrap metal from the twin towers. This work, by Dr. Stephen Jones, formerly of BYU (he was forced out over this work – well, actually, over his findings), was peer reviewed by many and, as far as I know, all concurred with his conclusions.

    Also, did you know that Bush’s brother – Marvin, I believe – as well as an uncle were key figures in the security company that held a contract for the WTC right up until September 10th, as I recall. I believe the new security company began on Sept. 11th. Incidentally, they siphoned off the FBI’s top bin Laden expert into their company and he died in the WTC on 9/11. He was very disgruntled with FBI obstruction of counter-terrorism investigations and our foreign policies which cause terrorism.

    One might even see motive in his death, but if such a connection involves government, any investigatory thought should be squelched and labeled “paranoid”. (Those nice people in government would never do that… not (did you see Borat?).)

    The most detailed, scholarly and serious source of information regarding 9/11 and all related events is The Complete 9/11 Timeline at Cooperative Research:

    You may know about it.

    There are far too many details at least of cover-up and foreknowledge (if one overlooks the military thermite we can avoid saying “complicity”) to conclude that our government is fully innocent of participation in this terrible tragedy.

    The stand-down of our Air Force is the detail that first bothered me. What they did that day makes no sense and is highly suspect if you are at all familiar with their capabilities and their responses to wayward or hijacked planes, on every other occassion…

    Americans need to get smart quickly. Do you know about the planned North American Union? Multi-national corporate execs and other ruling elite, with the cooperation of our administration and some military leaders have planned for the overthrow of our government. They expect to dissolve the U.S. , Canadian and Mexican governments into one union. They have written a new constitution – reportedly modeled after the Soviet Union’s – that will supercede all others. (There are some good CNN and C-SPAN clips on this on You Tube.)

    Unlike in Europe, we do not get to vote on this so-called union. Their planning meetings have been conducted entirely in secret. This is the very essence of government conspiracy. Conspiracy, by definition, (we seem to forget what it means) is what government’s often do, for the benefit of the few, at the expense of the many. This is not unique or novel or strange. It is hardly paranoid to look at it this way. It is smart, in the sense of savvy.

    We have been giving our government a free ride on our history – or on the ideals of our history – for a long time. It is time we stopped. It is almost pathological that Americans are so resistant to the idea that a government such as ours, which is willing to rape, torture and slaughter millions in nations around the world, solely for the sake of corporate profits, would kill domestically to accomplish “greater” objectives. They think little of killing. They don’t care about dead Americans. They don’t care about our soldiers. They didn’t care about the poor, the black, the elderly, the incarcerated in New Orleans. They don’t care about us – middle-class white folks. They would kill us for a song. They are fully intoxicated with wealth and power and view all of suffering humanity as disposable.

    We all know about journalists and others killed by the Russian government… Well, surprise! they kill here, also. They are simply more adept at covering it up. Or perhaps they are even more scary and the press is reluctant to expose them in the same way. (Read about the murders of microbiologists that began immediately after 9/11… the world’s leading experts in anthrax going first, of course. There are obits for all these people. I know a woman who is a family friend of one of the famous Russian scientists who was among the first killed. This is not fiction.)

    To ask why they are killing microbiologists would be potentially life-saving, but we cannot ask. We have bought the age-old claim by officials that such questions are crazy.

    By the way, it’s well known in Russia that their government blew up some apartment buildings in Moscow and blamed it on the Chechens in order to ignite war. History is full of such documented events, going back to Rome. This is what government’s do. They lie their way into warfare so people will sacrifice their lives blindly for false ideals that their leaders do not care about.

    It seems people would rather kill the innocent for years to come than think painful thoughts about American leadership. All such denial will bring us is tyranny. Believe me, we don’t want this ruling elite taking over our country. They behave ruthlessly all over the world. How can we believe they will be “nice” to us? They are not nice. They are psychopathic killers dressed in suits. Why must we make excuses for them? Only for our own emotional comfort.


    July 4, 2007 at 12:21 pm

  11. However you feel about the possibility of controlled demolition, however unbelievable you find the notion that people would or could plant the towers and building seven with charges, the laws of physics and peer reviewed, independently verified, empirical evidence state unequivocally that the buildings were blown up, not toppled by stress from plane crashes. It doesn’t matter how many words and opinions you heap on it. Somebody blew up the World Trade Center after a couple planes were flown into the towers, using explosives not found in civilian usage. It’s impossible for this to have happened without “inside” help.

    Please get over your resistance and update yourself on the facts.


    July 6, 2007 at 1:17 pm

  12. Anyone can pick and choose the “facts” they like. Logic dictates that you explain how and why such explosives were placed in the towers especially wtc 7. It’s your premise, support it. Thanks for dropping by! —Doug


    July 6, 2007 at 10:34 pm

  13. I am concerned that facts may be emphasized or suppressed or even distorted for political reasons. That is why I cannot accept any conspiracy theory, no matter how mainstream, without some proper criminal investigation.

    If the people who we relied upon to tell us the truth did so on a regular basis, we would have cause to trust their word. Alas, we do not, and our system of government was designed to remove those who obstruct justice. That is why I hope you will join me in supporting impeachment.


    July 7, 2007 at 1:41 am

  14. […] administration deliberately murdering thousands of Americans, nu? Fortunately I’m pretty much done with that one, since none of its advocates has come up with an even remotely plausible explanation of how all […]

  15. So far, you’ve managed to ridicule, mock, and … well, the usual, regarding 9-11 nuts. But you haven’t offered any counterpoints to any of the legitimate concerns people have regarding Sibel Edmond’s Gag, the inconsistencies of Norad, the omissions of the 9-11 commission regarding programs like Able Danger and evidence of Thermite – which was present according to a physicist from BYU.

    You sound like someone who watches a lot of TV and doesn’t bother to research anything for himself, quite frankly. It’s tiring for those of us who want a serious debunking. Sadly, what they have to say, for me, holds more water than what you have to say, for us. Only a “skeptic of skeptics” would nod in agreement to anything you’ve said. In other words, those of us on the outside of that bubble aren’t sold. C’mon. Sell us. Tell us you’ve read Michael Ruppert’s “Crossing the Rubicon” at least. Get into a dialogue with him, and please, refute something. We’re begging you to do it. We don’t want to believe in what the nuts have to say, but they’re making more sense, and you’re not giving us many alternatives.

    dag boo

    July 19, 2008 at 9:14 am

  16. “People can pick up and choose the facts as they like.” Wow! I’ll never doubt you again! :D

    dag boo

    July 19, 2008 at 9:17 am

  17. Lou Dobbs and Bloggers!

    I think you’re losing it with your short question to Dana… “Are we winning with the surge as McCain said or not?”

    When the question remains… Why the hell are we in Iraq in the 1st place? Except for the 4,000 lives lost… The looting of the American People… The American War Criminals… The Arabs holding us there to charge double or triple for Oil in Iraq, Afghanistan and America… While, funding the Bin Ladens from the back door in Iraq and Afgahnistan…

    Along comes a guy who wants to get America out by reducing Combat Troops while making the Iraqi’s stand up and take responsibility for their own country and all McCain Clowns can say is he don’t have military experience? Well, according to some, neither did Bush. Daddy Bush did, but Dummy Bush didn’t and I’m sorry, but McCain is just too damn old lead anything, let alone a nation. Don’t be stupid America… Would you let a family member McCain’s age lead anything you have of value? BE HONEST!!! Don’t be stupid!!! These clowns have cost America more than we will ever be able to recover.

    Don’t think so? Look to your southern borders! The drug cartels can send 499 pounds into America with each mule! And if they are caught, they will be back home in time for dinner!!!

    Contrast that to your kid who gets caught with a ounce of drugs on a college campus… He may not get time, unless he’s Black… But you can bet damn sure that it’s gonna cost you a ton of legal funds to get your college brat to do probation!!!

    Am I wrong?

    Prove it! And Don’t be stupid this election America! The clowns and war criminals have already cost you enough the past 7 years! Don’t be stupid! Don’t be fooled again! America can’t afford it!

    Mr. D.

    July 21, 2008 at 4:28 pm

  18. […] residue in dust samples collected after 9/11. I’m like, wow, this is interesting. For reasons I have explained before, I don’t give much credence to 9/11 conspiracy theories, but could I have been wrong? Could […]

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