Doug's Darkworld

War, Science, and Philosophy in a Fractured World.

9/11 Conspiracy Theory Redux

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OK, Wikipedia is down, so I can’t write the post I was planning on writing. Well, maybe I could, it’s not like the whole Internet is down yet. The SOPA thing is getting a lot of attention, so maybe it won’t come to pass after all. However, whatever excuse I may use, I decided the comments on my last 9/11 conspiracy post were … fascinating. I was going to write a comment in response, but realized I could squeeze a post out of it. And, well, people took the time to write a lot of long comments, the least I can do is respond.

Thank you for the comments. That being said, I don’t recall saying anything about my beliefs about what happened on 9/11, I was writing about my take on 9/11 demolition theories. And what people did write about my putative beliefs was wrong. However, that’s not the point. I also didn’t appreciate the few remarks casting doubt on my judgment etc, but, I won’t deny that on some levels I have poked fun at 9/11 Truthers, so, fair enough. And I’m sorry the comment thread devolved into endless listing of the various items 9/11 Truthers use to make their case. Seriously, did anyone think they were posting anything I hadn’t seen a before? I mean really.

So I stand by my original statement, all of the evidence submitted by 9/11 Truthers is interpretive, it’s only evidence because the Truthers say it is. None of it is hard evidence, none of it would stand up in court. I’m not saying it’s wrong, I’m saying if Truthers want their theory to be widely accepted, they need evidence that 90% of people are going to look at and say “Oh My God.” Evidence that actually is on point: Who’s idea was this conspiracy? Who were their co-conspirators? Who set the charges?

However, moving past all that, because there’s no profit to be had there, great, the Truthers think the evidence they have is convincing. I have no interesting in debating it, and I’m sorry if I gave that impression.  My point, that essentially every commenter seems to have missed: Convince me the 9/11 Truther Theory is a logical theory, defend it logically. Answer my questions:

1. Why 9/11, when a vastly simpler and far less risky false flag attack would have the same result?

2. Why WTC 7, a building no one had ever heard of.

3. How, exactly, did they recruit people into this conspiracy?

This is just a  logical exercise, right? My questions aren’t rhetorical questions, I don’t have preset answers. I do admit, my lifelong study of how and why humans commit terrible violence played a part in why I ask these questions. Mostly though, just as I said, logic. If 9/11 Truthers are proposing that the Bush Administration committed what would be one of the most heinous crimes in history, they should be able to defend their theory. All of it.

“On your way, Bud,” said Colonel Harper, “and good luck to you”

(The above image is of the US aircraft carrier Bunker Hill after being hit by two kamikaze aircraft off Okinawa in 1945. It’s a National Archive photo, so pretty much public domain under US copyright law. 400 people are dead or dying in this image. 402 counting the kamikaze pilots I suppose. Hell of a thing, suicide attacks.)


Written by unitedcats

January 19, 2012 at 6:42 am

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  1. Dear Doug
    1. To answer your first question I would need to know what the “vastly simpler and far less risky false flag attack” would have been.
    2. Why WTC 7, a building no one had ever heard of? WTC 7 was where Mayor Guiliani’s controversial “crisis control center” was situated a fact that was quite well-known. The crisis center received severe damage from debris falling from the towers raising further questions about such a degree of vulnerability in so an important facility.
    3. How, exactly, did they recruit people into this conspiracy? The same methods by which they recruited people to build the Greenbriar underground bunker complex, the existence of which was kept absolutely secret for decades. I reiterate from my original comment to your earlier blog that the workers would not need know thetrue nature of the “maintenance procedures” that they were hired to put in place.
    With best wishes, D

    Dorothy Kahn

    January 19, 2012 at 8:23 am

  2. your going too hell

    Tiet Zandoren

    January 19, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    • Perhaps it was just some sort of fluke, like painting the Hindenburg with thermite. just seems like some sort of cover up is happening or at least a playdown of extreme incompetance on the governments part. I mean we should be able to shoot down ANYTHING that has a chance of flying into the pentagon, period.


      January 19, 2012 at 1:45 pm

  3. Might be true in every facet.
    Might not be true in every facet.
    BUT, plausible.
    And answering all of your questions:

    Frankly, the feeling I get from 9/11 un-Truthers is that they simply have not done the relevant research to have an opinion either way.
    While, us Truthers, well, it is somehow up to us to understand EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING from both sides of the aisle, to answer for EVERYONE’s mistakes and misunderstandings, and to basically do the job of THINKING for those who would rather live in fairy-tale CNN land where old W would never lie to you about something so important as a half-million dead people and wars on three continents… And for what? Power. Money. Psychopathy.


    January 19, 2012 at 1:43 pm

  4. Fascinating troll, Doug. I especially liked learning that WTC7 had been invisible before 9/11, and that nobody had ever even heard of it before. So it wasn’t really a big deal that it collapsed, I mean who would notice?

    Mike Goldman

    January 19, 2012 at 5:26 pm

  5. […] along, I promised I would provide one commenter with responses to her responses to my questions on this post.  My original questions are in italics, her responses in bold, and my comments on same are in […]

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